Michael and Kathryn talk with John Jantsch, author and marketing expert, about the customer success track and how to scale your business through better marketing. If you feel like you are constantly spinning your wheels just trying to generate new customers, take a step back by giving this episode a listen.

Michael and Kathryn interview business coach and Certified Financial Planner, Josh Patrick, about personal sustainability and how to tell if your business is sellable.  If you find yourself struggling with your business finances or just want to form a solid future exit strategy, then this episode is for you!